I Survived a Massive Homeopathic Overdose of Coffea Cruda 30C (Ten:23 in San Francisco, 2/5/2011)

On the morning of February 5, 2011, shortly after 10:23 am PST, I consumed about 380 milliliters of a homeopathic remedy for sleeplessness.   At  12:01 Am PST on 2/6/2011. when I began composing this post ...well, I was still not sleepy.  Nor did I suffer any ill effects from this massive overdose.

Why did I do this?  I joined a group of  consumer rights activists to take a symbolic 'overdose', with the  aims of increasing public awareness of what homeopathy really is,  and to put pressure on manufacturers and retailers who sell homeopathic products as if they were legitimate medical treatments.

Holistic Online reports

Coffea

Coffea, the homeopathic remedy made from the coffee bean, is very useful in cases of sleeplessness when the mind is awake and working. Shows inability to relax due to the overexcitement caused by good news or ideas. Vivid dreams, overactive mind, overexcitement. The thoughts are not fixed on a disappointment, but nevertheless the nervous system seems to be overexcited, as if from drinking too much coffee. Take 3X to 200X for insomnia following too much coffee drinking.

Many large US retailers, such as Whole Foods, Walmart,  stock homoepathic remedies  alsongside preparations that have actual ingredients and proven efficacy. The motivation seems to be that homeopathic products are stocked because  consumers will buy them, not because they are effective.

As a Reason4Reason a press release before the event stated:

Tens of billions of dollars are spent around the world each year on homeopathic treatments, with most patients completely unaware of what they are purchasing. When consumers learn the theory behind the homeopathic preparation process, they are often outraged that manufacturers and retailers have misrepresented these products.

The Center For Inquiry San Francisco CFI-SF) decided to prepare their own Coffea Cruda 30C preparation -- a version of  the "remedy" described above -- because some commercially produced homeopathic remedies have been found to contain real (non-homeopathic) medication or other ingredients not disclosed on product labels.

I decided to consume the CFI-SF preparation, rather than a commercially-available Coffea Cruda 30C preparation for two reasons:

1. I didn't want to add to revenues of commercial homeopathic enterprises
2. I believed that the preparation that CFI would offer at the event would be have no adulterants.

In the following video, Leonard Tramiel PhD describes and shows the preparation of Coffea Cruda 30C.

 

 As described in an email from the event organizers:

When properly prepared, even large doses of a homeopathic solution have no adverse or beneficial medical effects, as on average, they do not contain a single molecule of the alleged active ingredient. Some commercially produced homeopathic remedies have been found to contain real (non-homeopathic) medication or other ingredients not disclosed on product labels. These ingredients can have adverse effects.

A congenial group of about 30 assorted folk from various San Francisco Bay Area skeptical and scientific groups gathered in front of the California Street Whole Foods Market in San Francisco to take part in the  world-wide 10²³   2011 event.

Why Whole Foods?

Whole Foods Market claims to be “America’s Healthiest Grocery Store” but places homeopathic remedies next to conventional remedies without consumer warnings. We want consumers to make informed choices.

Huge companies are manufacturing homeopathic products for big retailers like Whole Foods Market & Walmart. Homeopathy is a multi-billion dollar business based on nothing.

Around 10:15 am,  Norman Clevenger began handing out doses of the care-fully prepared, CFI-SF certified Coffea Cruda 30C "remedy", as shown to the left.

At 10:23 am, the group downed a selection of overdoses.  Some drank the liquid preparation, some consumed commercial preparations (as shown above) and some consumed both.

Nothing happened.

No sleepiness.  No comas.  No other sign of overdose (although one person mentioned a need to urinate).

 

 

 

 

Resources

• http://reason4reason.org/
• Center for Inquiry
•  Center for Inquiry --San Francisco 
• 10²³ Homeopathy: There's Nothing In It
•  Bay Area Skeptics
• Bay Area Skeptics Facebook
• James Randi Educational Foundation Randi.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The video below is James Randi's 10²³ challenge to manufacturers

Comments

[John Wills Lloyd]

I predict you will receive a visit from an advocate of homeopathy. She will leave a comment from an IP address in India, and it may be 122.163.168.26. She has already visited your site before.

Teehee.

JohnL

[CJ]

What this proves is that homeopathics are safe, something which has already been proven in studies.

If you take a remedy not chosen for you based on the totality of your symptoms and constitution, nothing will happen. The remedy must also be taken in the correct potency and dosage for you in order to be effective.

An adult or child could take an entire bottle of a homeopathic medicine without being harmed even if it were the correct remedy.

Taking a bottle of a conventional drug like aspirin could easily be harmful.

[CJ]

The manufacture of homeopathic remedies is overseen internationally by HOMINT. In all of the billions of doses of homeopathics prepared, only one batch was found to contain other substances and that situation was corrected quickly.

[CJ]

This is a dangerous stunt.

Children, not knowing the difference between homeopathics and conventional drugs, could see this and decide to take a bottle of an over-the-counter or prescription drug causing serious harm.

[skeptikai]

Good call John.
If ignorance is bliss, she must be pretty pleased with herself.

[CJ]

It's illegal to post other people's IP addresses to the public.

[Twinarp]

CJ, your comment about remedies not working if the taker doesn't have the set of symptoms indicates that a pill can be sentient. Please explain how a sugar pill can tell when to cause effects and when not to.

[Liz Ditz]

CJ has quite strong feelings about homeopathy, but sadly, no evidence.

From the bottom up:
There's no legal barrier in the US to posting other people's IP addresses to the public

The "dangerous stunt" is just fear-mongering

The claim that HOMINT (http://www.dhu.com/homint_partners.htm) has the magical ability to ensure that all doses of homeopathic preparations, everywhere, are not adulterated is just plain silly.

Besides, several US homeopathy manufacturers, such as Hylands, aren't even part of HOMINT.

[CJ]

In the US, the server will not turn over IP addresses unless ordered to do so by the Courts. That has occurred twice in the legal system of this state.

[Liz Ditz]

[text of email I sent CJ]

Dear CJ,

You seem to be quite confused between privacy rights and "illegal to publish".

Let us see if I can clarify.

In the example we are discussing, one of my commenters mentioned an IP address for someone who had commented on my blog before, mentioning only her country of origin. He didn't mention her name, her email address, her twitter handle, or any other identifying information.

All of the blogging platforms I use log a commenter's IP address as a standard practice. There are many free services on the web that allow a user to look up the IP address, in the sense that the IP address resolves to a particular geographic area. From time to time I use these services. In fact, I used one to look up the IP address given by my blogging platform for your comments, something I rarely do.

Supposed ItsOnlySugarandWater, a homeopathic manufacturer, sued me and my ISP provider (the "server" in your words) to obtain the IP addresses of anyone who had viewed or commented on any of my blog posts about homeopathy. What the US law does do is give us the right to refuse to hand over the IP addresses.

The law is entirely silent on the matter of "publishing IP addresses". Certainly since there are free services providing such lookup would imply that it is legal to do so, and it is legal to publish the results of such a search.

My sense is that it is unmannerly to regularly publish such things -- you know, to post "Hey! lizditz@gmail and @lizditz etc. come from IP address 12.345.678.91! That's in Podunk, Square State!" or similar.

I have no objection to the first commenter listing an IP address, as he did not supply any other identification.

What's your objection?

[CJ]

E-mail from you is going to be blocked. Spam and harassment are not tolerated.

[Liz Ditz]

Can someboy more socially adept than I help me understand CJ's response?

Did the way I responded to CJ constitute "harassment"? Or "spam"? I don't get it.

Certainly it is embarrassing to be wrong, and to be shown to be wrong in public. But, you know, you go commenting...well.

[CJ]

Quite clearly we all ("skeptics" and supporters of homeopathy alike) know who the Indian woman supporter of homeopathy is without your identifying her by name. It is not necessary to post her name in order for many people to identify her.

Whether you are within legal bounds or not, you have basically made this threat: anyone who posts pro-homeopathy may have their IP address posted to the public. Everyone knows the internet is not necessarily a safe place. That is the problem with your post.

You have no business to e-mail me. I consider the fact that you did so once an invasion of privacy. That you've done so 4 times amounts to harassment.

If you can't tolerate other views, don't post a public blog.

Do not e-mail me again.

[Liz Ditz]

In which an attempt of courtesy is misinterpreted....

And wow! How does posting the facts turn into a threat?

[Cristal Mcmeans]

It turns out coffee ruins my system. I can't concentrate with work because of too much coffee! Thank goodness I found an alternative way of staying alert thanks to our company's recent lean manufacturing presentation seminar. Lean presentations show how to reduce 'wastes' from production such as unnecessary movements, efforts, etc to increase production rates!

[Nancy Malik]

It's a pity that conventional medicine has to take the help of a magician to counter homeopathy medicine

[Zeak]

The reason you didn't have any side effects is simply because the medication is all natural and not harmful. You cannot overdoes on it. If you take it relax,and get comfortable you will sleep normally. Instead, you are engaged in a social setting so your research is not reliable in my book.I have taken this for my insomnia and it has helped. I believe in trying the natural route before getting into conventional medicine. Please understand, I'm not against conventional medicine. I'm a medical assistant and an EMT. Somethings cannot be fixed other than through conventional medicine but when the illness is not life threatening, I try go for the Natural stuff. This hasn't failed me yet. I'm allergic to Penicillin, so an alternative is necessary for me and now I have the option of a few alternatives.

[Chris]

Zeak, how are your reading skills?

So if it is natural it is automatically safe? Oh, boy! Have I got some good stuff for you!

Would you like some foxglove tea to wash down a few castor beans?

(lots of people are allergic to Penicillin, which is why there are other antibiotics)

[judas]

1,How many members of the forum reason4reason are actually scientists or doctors or chemists?
2,people ridiculed everyone who said the earth was round as they were under the belief of the existing standard/conventional science (which claimed earth was flat).when science which is constantly changing reaches the next level then is when people accepted that earth was round indeed.
the fact that homoeopathy is scientific will need science to raise its standard to the next level,what would you support then?

[Chris]

judas:

2,people ridiculed everyone who said the earth was round as they were under the belief of the existing standard/conventional science (which claimed earth was flat).

The fact the earth is a spheroid has been known since ancient times among educated peoples. Eratosthenes calculated the circumference more than two thousand years ago. The problem with Christopher Columbus was that he cherry picked information, and those who would not finance him knew he was off by several thousands of miles.

If you are going to use an analogy, please use one that is accurate.

[J Bro]

I've just come across this site and I am overwhelmed. What are you scared of? That people are choosing homeopathy over paracetemol? Would you rather support homeopathy or Pfizer? or Glaxo Kline? I'm confused. Are you some anti alternative therapies person?

[Chris]

J Bro, is Boiron a tiny company? Do you work for them?

[judas]

chris,
analogy might be inappropriate but the message is not.has science resolved all the mysteries of nature? if your answer is yes then homoeopathy is unscientific.but everybody knows science and scientists have yet understood/proven only a fraction of nature.homoeopathy is a safe and sure method of therapy whether you accept it as scientific or not.it is like saying gravity did not exist before newton proved it.

[Chris]

judas:

.homoeopathy is a safe and sure method of therapy whether you accept it as scientific or not.it is like saying gravity did not exist before newton proved it.

Prove it posting a verifiable case report of homeopathy curing a non-self-limiting disease, like rabies or type 1 diabetes. Here is the catch: no other treatment was used, and it must have a cite in the PubMed index.

Also, since one of Hahnemann's miasms was syphilis, show that it cured that bacterial disease without the use of antibiotics. And not some homeopath's online notes, a real verified by an unbiased third party.

Show that you actually know anything about science.

[judas]

dear chris,
1,when u r skeptical about something you would not believe anything i post online.come to India i will see that you are convinced of the efficacy of homoeopathic medicines by showing live cases.
2,Rabies or type 1 DM are not cured by the so called modern medicine ,they are diseases which can only be palliated.
3,"show that you actually know anything about science"
how much science do YOU know to ask me that.

science is a field which needs open minded people, not someone who wants to stick to what he knows as of then without the zeal to know what is unknown.

[Chris]

So you have no evidence. Good to know.

By the way rabies is preventable due to research by a French dude named Pasteur. He came a bit after the German guy Hahnemann (you do know about him, right?). Plus there is a reason type 1 diabetes is no longer a death sentence, and it is not homeopathy.

You forgot to tell us the success homeopathy has with syphilis.

Unfortunately India is not a good example of how well homeopathy works in healthcare. See Being Indian: Inside the Real India by Pavan K. Varma.

[judas]

we have as much evidence as you can assimilate,come to india.why are you chickening out.

as for rabies,treatment and prevention are two different things,hope you understand that.

being indian is a political/social view of one individual,how do you intend to mix that with science.

type 1 DM is being managed under homoeopathic medicines with results similar to conventional medicines.
I understand i am talking to a person with no scientific background or mind set.
you just have to wait for a few more years before your concept is rubbished.
till then ,take care

[Liz Ditz]

Judas:

Type 1 diabetes results from a failure of the pancreas to produce insulin.

The body requires insulin to function, and taking homeopathic medicines in place of insulin therapy can be fatal.

[Chris]

judas, I believe I have taken more science than you. You cannot make statements that "It works!" without providing adequate proof. You have failed to do that.

Homeopathy has had more than two hundred years to prove itself. It has stayed the same and stagnated.

[Chris]

"we have as much evidence as you can assimilate,come to india.why are you chickening out."

My brother worked in India a couple of years ago. It is an interesting place. One where regulations and laws are often ignored.

Anyway, I don't have to see it first hand, because that would be just an anecdote, and the plural of anecdotes is not data. If you claim to know science, you would understand that.

[rain]

my brother was very sick a few days ago. we have started giving him homeopathics and his health has changed drasticly for the better. unless its in his 1 month old head i dont know what to tell you except that they work.

[Chris]

The plural of anecdote is not data. And sock puppets are boring.

[Andrew Ross]

Just another AMA-cabal "hit" on homeopathy. If this is "faith healing", why not try to explain how it works on animals and infants, hmmmmm?

It is quite fine to be "skeptical" but the Author misses the entire point of homeopathy when trying to OD on a homeopathic remedy. This is somewhat similar to trying to OD on a vaccine.

Not gonna happen.

It's the "energy intelligence" of the remedy's content that does the trick, not some crude ingredient, and a blockhead like the person who wrote this "scholarly" article could never hope to recognize this. Of course, "energy intelligence" will draw mocking jibes from you "scientists" outh there, but hang on to your hats, guys! YOU are nothing but CHEMICALS and ELECTRICITY, so you're probably not gonna want to pooh-pooh the sort of effect these remedies have on your corporeal selves.

I have benefited greatly from homeopathic remedies, with the cessation of numerous symptoms that allopathy, after years of various treatments, could not touch. You can ask my physician - an MD who's also a homeopath, about this one.

Heading out for some Oscillococcinum. Has helped me numerous times with flu and flu-like symptoms. You ought to try it!

[Chris]

Actually, Mr. Ross, could you please explain what evidence you have that the AMA has anything to do with the Center for Inquiry in San Francisco? This should be good.

Plus, you really need to show the evidence it works for non-self-limiting conditions in animals. Here are some case reports of it not working:
http://www.vetpath.co.uk/voodoo/cases.html

There are veterinarians who are not pleased with the homeopathic treatment of animals, they really do not like it when animals are in needless pain.

[Elitza Dimitrova]

I am sorry, but because of people like you, America is a nation full of pill-poppers and drug addicts! Homeopathy does work, and you're an idiot. And since it's impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument, I will not even try to reason with you and explain.

[Chris]

Aren't being more of a pill popper when you take the homeopathic pills?

[Tania Berra]

of course you will not overdose with homeopathy, that is why it is so good for you! it is not poison like pharmaceutical drugs and if you would study more on how it works you would know that the entire point of homeopathy is that small consistant doses of it is what heals, not large amounts at once. I use homeopathy for colds, flu, sinus infections, anxiety, and sleeplessness...and I am NOT sicker, I am healthier and my liver and kidneys as well!

[Chris]

Tania Berra:

I use homeopathy for colds, flu, sinus infections, anxiety, and sleeplessness.

All self limiting conditions. And of course it is not poison, because it is literally nothing. Except for milk sugar pills, and then it is bad if you are diabetic or have lactose intolerance.

[Jdaurio09]

I will tell you why i dont believe you "anti" homeopathy people: Its for the pure and simple fact that youre saying ALL homepathic products DO NOT WORK and that is just simply stupid.

[Jdaurio09]

For example, TeaTree oil is one of the most widely used homeopathic remedies, and is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to be an anti-septic, anti-bacterial agent. I do not need to know much about science to know that one, there are dozens of clinical trials that have already proven it. On your blog, however, you say rediculus things like how there "nothing in it" referring to ALL homeopathic drugs. Really? ALL OF THEM dont work? Youre full of it.

[Jdaurio09]

Oh and by the way, you cant really overdose on coffeebeans that easily. Caffeine has the reverse effect on Insomniacs that it does on normal people... I will give you an example of something in conventional medicine that does as well, Adderall. Adderall is an amphetamine, aka speed. When it is givin to someone with ADHD (wound up, hyperactivity, bouncing off the walls, etc) it does not work like speed, it actually calms the kid down. If you or I took it (assuming you dont have ADHD) we would feel as though we have just taken cocaine.. this is obviously a different effect. Therefore, your idea that a drug cannot work differently for you is just lame, and is a theory from the early 1900's. Lets get a little more current here people.

[Chris]

We will assume you have made up everything out of thin air unless you can post some real evidence. By the way, tea tree oil does have some remarkable properties, but not when it is diluted to one part in all of the molecules of this planet.

Therefore, your idea that a drug cannot work differently for you is just lame, and is a theory from the early 1900's. Lets get a little more current here people.

That is very funny. Hahnemann dreamed up homeopathy in the early 1800s, and it has not changed since. Some of his "miasms" were conditions that often needed cures like gonorrhea and syphilis. How are those two bacterial infections treated these days? Think about it very carefully, it has only been in common use since 1945.

Hahnemann did not know about Avogadro's Number, and it looks like you do not either. Diluting something to 30C means it is one part of something to 10 raised to the 60th power of solvent(that is a one with sixty zeros behind it, or 10^60). Essentially one molecule to enough solvent to fill this solar system. You have a one in several hundred millions chance of getting a molecule of tea tree oil, or if it is Nat Mur a salt molecule.

I suspect you really do not know much about homeopathy. Do you?

[nathan]

@ Twinarp:
"your comment about remedies not working if the taker doesn't have the set of symptoms indicates that a pill can be sentient. Please explain how a sugar pill can tell when to cause effects and when not to."

The pill is not sentient, the body is. The body knows what is wrong with it, and can recognize when more of the same ("like cures like") has been added to the system. This triggers a greater immunity response from the body and brings about a systemic approach to healing.
Think of it this way, when you get a little tickle and it makes you itch, what do you do? Naturally you apply *more* stimulation to that spot by scratching it in order to tell the nerves to stop agitating the brain. Analogously, if you are suffering from sleeplessness, hyper-tension, over-active thoughts, etc. (just as if you'd *had* too much coffee), then applying coffee (in the minuscule dosage of a remedy) will counter-act those (and only those) symptoms. The same idea is commonly applied with the use of vaccinations. And likewise, you wouldn't expect your MMR vaccination to protect you from Chickenpox, though the vaccine is certainly not sentient.

And generally:
There are lots of manufacturers of lots of things who do so poorly, without proper safety measurers, and at the risk of their of customers, but we normally don't blame the product for that, we just try to buy from more reputable companies. The argument that remedies generally are missing the key ingredient(s), or containing other unintended or unmentioned ingredients simply because one or some manufacturers have been shown to have these problems is a bit of a stretch.

[Chris]

The body knows what is wrong with it, and can recognize when more of the same ("like cures like") has been added to the system. This triggers a greater immunity response from the body and brings about a systemic approach to healing.

Citation required.

Analogously, if you are suffering from sleeplessness, hyper-tension, over-active thoughts, etc. (just as if you'd *had* too much coffee), then applying coffee (in the minuscule dosage of a remedy) will counter-act those (and only those) symptoms

Citation required.

By the vaccines actually contain ingredients. Homeopathic remedied are diluted to the point where literally nothing remains. I suggest you go up and read the article carefully, take some basic chemistry and figure out why Advogadro's Number is relevant.

[Mathias]

Thank you very much for this awesome , useful post ... hope to read more about next time!
Kind regards from gemany, Mathias

[Emily]

My brain hurts. Clearly the writer of this blog understands nothing of how neurotransmitters in the brain work. I'm actually laughing so hard reading this I may wee a bit.
Anyhow, as a sufferer of insomnia, and a longtime psychology studier, (as one HAS to be to manage one's medical care in this day and age) I understand both the benefits of pharamacueticals and homeopathics. There is however a deadly and dangerous side to pharmaceuticals--e.g. risidual grogginess, building tolerance, risk of overdose, not to mention the side effects not ever explained in fine print. One lovely sleep aid became so habit forming, that after 2 weeks of continued use I becamse unable to sleep without it and when I tried to stop taking it developed severe anxiety, paranoia and hallucinations, with occasional seizures.
May I point out that in all of my time using ANY homeopathic treatments, none of these symptoms has occured, regardless of dosage or frequency.
I still encourage use of medications as needed, but am weary of the poor reception homeopathics get, given the positive effect that have for some.
Simply said, if they don't work for you-don't buy them.

[Chris]

Emily, it is obvious you have no idea what homeopathy is (or isn't), and what Avogadro's Number has to do with it!

If you can differentiate between a bottle of 30C NatMur and 30C Nox Vomica tablets, there is a million dollar prize waiting for you. I hope to see your name on the list of applicants. Get cranking on figuring out how to tell the difference between two bottles of sugar pills!

[rl]

This is ridiculous beyond belief. Just because people are ignorant about a modality and how it works doesn't mean it is ineffective. The problem with homeopathy is that it is not easy to prescribe the right remedy. So if you don't want to take the wrong remedy and waste a few bucks, hire a good classical homeopath. I can assure you though, from personal experience, that homeopathic remedies can cause amazing results with zero harmful "side-effects" as standard drug-based medicine.

Plus, so you spent 6 bucks and nothing happens. At least it is safe and cheap, which is a lot more than I can say for conventional medicine. Even over-the-counter medications like Ibuprofen can cause life-threatening intestinal bleeding. This is NOT an extremely rare side-effect either, but shockingly common.

The world is a better place due to the existence of other methods of healing. Despite great advancement and hegemony of conventional medicine over half of Americans will get cancer. This is 10x more than only 50 years ago. Obviously health and healing is more complicated than these misguided protesters can imagine.

[Chris]

. I can assure you though, from personal experience, that homeopathic remedies can cause amazing results with zero harmful "side-effects" as standard drug-based medicine.

Sure it is, just prove it works for non-self-limiting conditions like rabies and type 1 diabetes.

Also, explain why it didn't work for Luca Monsellato and Gloria Sam. They are both dead, and their fathers were both homeopaths.

[MrsWhite]

I don't believe homeopathics purports to resolve EVERY known condition or disease but then neither can conventional medicine. The writer of this blog has clearly done ZERO research into how.homeopathics is prescribed & how the constitutional makeup of each individual affects the appropriate remedy prescription. All you have clearly shown with this blog is your closed-mindedness & ignorance. But thanks for.the laugh all the same ;)

[Chris]

Mrs. White, because conventional medicine admits it cannot cure every is not evidence that homeopathy works.

Do tell us about that research. Andre Saine, a homeopath, claims that homeopathy is more effective for rabies. Show us exactly where that has been shown.

[Rogelio]

What a bunch of ignorant fuckers you are. Sorry I wasted ten minutes of my life dwelling here.

[Chris]

Ah, poor baby Rogelio! Perhaps you should take some sugar pills to make yourself happy again. Because, we all know that homeopathic pills are as full of goodness as your comment was of any insight, or science.

[Rogelio]

Wow Chris, I'll be brief. You certainly aren't. Seems that welfare recipients, like yourself, have lots of time to "blog", (Acronym for bloviating losers overseeing garbage.) I yield. You ARE the self-anointed queen of the psyco... um... er... Homeopathic expertise. Wow... Is this really your contribution to society? Get a life. You bore bore bore.
Bye forever. Oy!

[Chris]

Um, dude, this isn't my blog. I just enjoy watching you guys never answer a question. I happen to prefer that over icanhazcheezeburger.

If this was so boring, why did you even bother commenting? Oh, wait, you are gone. Pity do one had told me how Andre Saine's contention has been proven.

[Lucas]

Ha. So does this meet all the standards of a litigate study? Hmm... it actually sounds like you don't know how to use homeopathy in the first place, so how are your words even worth reading. Without the guidelines on how you administered the remedy, what dilution ratio was, and what you had to eat or drink before, during, and after, this is useless information.
If people want to use homeopathy, who cares! There are plenty of pharmaceuticals that don't work and actually cause horrible side effects. And if people want to use pharmaceuticals, who cares!... As long as the individual is informed of the risks first, people have the right to try whatever they like without people trying to force their OPINION on them.

[Lucas]

oh, and coffea cruda isn't meant to put you to sleep... its meant to help with sleep by calming overactive thoughts. It can just as effectively be used to help someone study for an exam that has a lot on their mind (without putting them to sleep). There is no homeopathic remedy that will cause drowsiness or induce sleep.

[Chris]

Lucas, perhaps you would care to point out the studies of homeopathy that actually cure non-self-limiting diseases. You can start with what Hahnemann called "miasms", like syphilis and gonorrhea. Then go to the claim made by Andre Saine that homeopathy cures rabies.

Make sure they are real studies, and not just unverifiable testimonies. No excuses, especially when you go into the minute details of a person's (or mouse's, if it is the rabies study) life.

[Nancy]

What a moronic article. That is exactly how homeopathic remedies work. You could take 20 bottles and nothing would happen unless you took one that matched your symptoms. You are ridiculous. Well, better for us...don't use homeopathic remedies. There will be more for the rest of us who know first hand how well they work.

[Chris]

Okay, Nancy. Do try telling us why Andre Saine tell us homeopathy works better for rabies. Show us the real data.

[cisco ccna training]

Now, I'm confused about Whole Foods. Don't they have health survey before they put up this business? I hope this will be cure before it gets worse.