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Wednesday, October 22, 2008

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Vaklam

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Go, Liz!

If telling the truth and backing it up with evidence is "bashing" then bash away!

CrypticLife

If we only took opinions from those with children on the spectrum, we'd be seeing an awfully biased opinion now, wouldn't we?

We wouldn't see the opinions of thousands who'd had vaccines with no problems at all.

Amber

Good for you! An opinion is hardly of less value simply because one does not have autistic kids.

MinorityView

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4. It is not sufficient for vaccine support to come from physicians -- lay people ought to be vocal about the public and individual health value of universal vaccination, and ought to be vocal in pointing out the flaws in the anti-vaccination propaganda.

The folks at insidevaccines have had an interesting time of it since we started our vaccine critical blog. What has been interesting is the dead silence from the vaccine defenders. We've had perhaps 10 comments in 9 months from that sector. The blog itself is busy and considered very useful by people who are trying to find accurate, dependable information on vaccines. My conclusion? Most of the vaccine defenders actually know very little about vaccination. When they encounter the science-based, meticulously researched articles on insidevaccines they have absolutely no idea what to say. There have been a few critiques of the site on some forums and on other blogs. Invariably these critiques handle the challenge in one of two ways: by distorting the actual content and then critiquing the distortion or by picking out a minor detail, finding what looks like an error and then claiming "see, those folks don't know what they are talking about!" Is insidevaccines anti-vaccine? No. We are in favor of informed consent, hence the wide range of useful links and carefully organized content on the site.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress

TheProbe

Dear MinorityView:

Please get down off of your high horse. Your website/blog is merely a collection of cherry picked quotes and facts to promote your anti-vaccination agenda where you encourage people to become parasites.

Your site is not worth the billions of electrons that would be destroyed by responding to it.

Liz D

From the "Framing Vaccines" post on ScienceBlogs Book Club

This is an analysis of how "Inside Vaccines" deals with a paper: Antivaxers Do It Again
..."The selective removal of vital information (highlighted by me in red) by the "Inside Vaccines" team distorts the entire findings of the paper, and is designed to fool readers into thinking the opposite of what the article actually concludes."

"Minority View" is the one defending Inside Vaccines, and may be our "VS". When called out about the way she was misrepresenting the papers, PLUS when she was pretending to have only "found the website recently" by DeeTee...she took her toys and ran home in a huff. This is what DeeTee wrote:

"Hang on.... are you just pretending you have only just discovered the "Inside vaccines" web site as a result of this JREF thread?

I assume you are the same "Minority View" that has been promoting this website on JABS since the 1st February. You also posess intimate knowledge of which specific articles are due for posting on the site, so I conclude the site is actually yours. To suggest, 35 days later, that you have only just gone and "checked it out" is an example of the dishonesty that pervades the site.

On the web site you are scare-mongering about life-saving vaccines in a totally dishonest way, by cherry picking and misquoting to support your antivaccine agenda. I have nothing but disdain for people like you."

By the way, it is not an ad hominem to point out the dishonesty of a website being flogged.

I agree with that commenter, and with TheProbe.

MinorityView

Thanks to both of you for perfectly confirming my point. I couldn't have done it better myself.

"Invariably these critiques handle the challenge in one of two ways: by distorting the actual content and then critiquing the distortion or by picking out a minor detail, finding what looks like an error and then claiming "see, those folks don't know what they are talking about!""

You'll be glad to know that the number of links to our blog is rising daily.

I don't think you are doing an effective job of debunking the vaccine critics. But that is your problem :)

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