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Thursday, January 01, 2009

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mike stanton

Great post, Liz!
Regarding the UK fetus. The abortion took place prior to the 1967 Abortion Act. Therefore it only took place because continuing with the pregnancy would have threatened the life of the pregnant woman. I suppose they could have let her die and then extracted the cells from the dead fetus. Would that have met with moral approval from the pro-lifers?

isles

I find it more than a bit repulsive that antivaxers take such satisfaction in insisting that vaccines contain "aborted fetal tissue." No matter what one's position on abortion, it seems improper to capitalize on what is usually a really difficult situation for everyone involved.

Prometheus

How is it that people can but into the idea that current vaccines contain "aborted fetal tissue" simply because they are grown on cell lines that were derived (in the 1960's) from aborted fetuses? There has been no new "aborted fetal tissue" used in these cell lines for 47 (WI-38) and 42 (MRC-5) years.

[NB: At the time these cell lines were developed, abortion was legal in the US and UK ONLY in order to save the mother's life or (in the US, at least) in cases of rape or incest]

This is nothing more than deceptive propaganda to promote a (hidden) political agenda.

Prometheus

Meg

In all do respect, I Strongly beleve that vaccines are being used from abortioing babies and that are some reports that it is also a link to autism. Both vacccines and abortion are using deceptive propaganda to make some $$$$$$. I still strongly belive that,(in some cases), vaccines are caused by autism, but So many anti-vaccines
people are using the deceptive propaganda that autism are the one and only caused by vaccines and never told that there is many causes of autism such as genenics, premature births, Frigle X Syndrome, birth injury, illness, brian tummers, birth over 42 wks in genstion, family history of autism, etc. I beleve that people need to stop overlook the causes of autism and need to start helping people who is on the spectrum and their families so that they fave a better live and quit wasting their time to find a cure because, like myself, so many people who is on the specturm want to want to have a job, be inderpendent, and want ot enjoy life amd I also want people who is on the lower end or the specturm, to have the same thing because I don't them to end up with evil people who want to distory them when their parients or caregivers who is unable to care for them and the people, who is so focus on these things, DONES NOT care about it.

Amy Bauman

actually from what i have researched the little girl was aborted simply because her family decided they already had too many children...not for medical reasons. it i s too bad we have been deceived.

Kurt Kost

Prometheus is right abortion was illegal in the U.S. except for rape or incest which is why one of these abortions of a U.S. mother was performed in Sweden.(Because they had too many children)

Debbie Vanden Berk

I vaccinate my children...or have until I accidentally discovered that vaccines can carry cell lines from aborted fetuses...

I found this out from CDC's website after my child had a funny reaction to meningococcal vaccine.


To a pro-life person, this was a devastating discovery which led me to halt all vaccination until I could learn more.

It is correct that the Church allows a family to continue to vaccinate but it also allows for a family to refuse. It talks about our need to carefully weigh the risk of our children and the community against the risk of objecting...no matter the path chosen, we, those of us following the Catholic teaching anyways, are called to put pressure on the pharmaceutical companies, doctors, etc. to stop using aborted fetal cell lines and to develop moral alternatives.

This only seems right, fair, and just. This is not anti-vaccine, but anti- aborted fetal cell line vaccine.

Since there is currently "no incentive" (taken from a vaccine developer site) to create a different cell line to replace what is already working, then we need to do something to convince otherwise.

It is a moral imperative that our countries accommodate the religious convictions of people while also striving to protect their health. There is no reason why a moral alternative cannot be developed.

I also studied the CDC site and others about the aborted cells WI 38, MRC- 5, RA 27, and now PER 6 (which flies in the face of "no more aborted fetuses are needed..") those numbers refer to the number of aborted baby that the line was developed from...so like WI-38...the 38th aborted baby taken was where they were able to get the cells for the cell line, MRC - the 5th baby, RA the 27th baby, and PER the 6th...this is no small number of abortions - even 40 years ago. On such a moral evil to pro-lifers, it is hard to believe anything good can come of it...though if good has come from it, it is truly by the Grace of God.

We should lobby hard for moral alternatives and in the meantime, the choice to vaccinate or not, must be decided by each family's conscience and convictions.

There is a way to make this work so all are happy and all is moral...we just need to work a little harder to make it happen.

Debbie

Laura


The argument should not be about whether the vaccines contain the aborted foetal tissue or not - the issue is that aborted foetal tissue was ever used in the first place to allow medical scientists to create these vaccines. They should scrap their original process and start again, making it a clean process from start to finish!. That's the main issue!

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The argument should not be about whether the vaccines contain the aborted foetal tissue or not - the issue is that aborted foetal tissue was ever used in the first place to allow medical scientists to create these vaccines. They should scrap their original process and start again, making it a clean process from start to finish!. That's the main issue!

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